Does anyone know which UM system schoold conducted this research. I need a copy of this paper.
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I don't see what is so embarrassing about the research. I believe the results of the study because I'm sure at the high school level it probably does help the average student. It works differently for different people, even here. Some people are begging for homework to offset bad test grades and others are willing to bet everything on 2-3 tests.
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While I don't beleive in the theory that more is better, I think that kids should have homework, even in elementary school. I don't have any research, but I think that a little homework is good to prepare them for higher grades...
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I don't remember getting any homework until the 6th grade or so. I did very little homework all through school now that I think of it (and got crappy grades), but going to UMR has given me all the HW I even need....
I really didn't have much until 5th grade (just mad minutes and the like), but after that it was quite a bit. Although I may have hated it then, it did help me develop some semblance of time management.
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There is no real connection between homework and learning. I've personally never believed in it, and the usual assumptions about its benefits lack good evidence.
There may be some use for it in higher grades, but I'm glad they're getting homework out of elementary school.
I had all kinds of homework starting around third or fourth grade. Starting in fourth grade I had to work on "independent study projects." You had to go to the library and get all kinds of sources, keep track of a bibliography, turn in X amount of notecards per week, turn in several drafts, present a posterboard, all kinds of stuff. Everything had to be typed out. My school made us do science fairs too, which was at least the same amount of work. I had to learn how to count in binary in fourth grade (did you know the Korean flag has links to binary numbers? Well my class did).
I feel that I didn't get anything out of it and it was just a frustrating waste of time. My parents thought it was ridiculous too. A ten year old kid has better things to do (like play SNES).
I always hated the notecard approach to papers. It's retarded, you don't learn anything, and, well, it's retarded. I always ended up turning in some half-assed notecards whenever they were due and the just sitting down and writing the damn thing. I think some teachers sat down and decided they knew best for all the students on how to research papers. I think ~5 mins of hw a night for 4th graders is acceptable, perhaps even earlier than that, but still.
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As for science fair projects, damn I hated those. I had to do a class one 4th grade and then an individual one every year there after. The part that pissed me off the most was that they kept changing the first year. When I was in 5th grade, that was the first year our school did them. Then when I was in 6th grade they were a middle school thing (we started "middle school" in 6th grade). My 7th and 8th grade years they were for 7th and 8th graders. I think a year or 2 after I started hs they were abolished all together.
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Anyhow, while I feel some homework is good, it shouldn't be more than a half-hour max until middle school (well, unless you put off said paper until the night before (like I always did/do), then it's your own damn fault and you should get no sympathy (which I didn't/don't))
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I totally agree with you, atm314. By the way, where is your sig from? I could have sworn I read it in one of my EE textbooks. It sounds really familiar.
EDIT: BTW, I still use notecards... got about 200 here for various papers this semester... and I feel they're keeping me really organized. Depends on who you are, though. Also, just because my sister and brother and I had little to no discipline growing up I feel that there needs to be SOME form of homework (even if it's just asking mommy or daddy what their favorite food is) to encourage responsibility young.
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EDIT: BTW, I still use notecards... got about 200 here for various papers this semester... and I feel they're keeping me really organized. Depends on who you are, though. Also, just because my sister and brother and I had little to no discipline growing up I feel that there needs to be SOME form of homework (even if it's just asking mommy or daddy what their favorite food is) to encourage responsibility young.
I am starting to believe some people are just driven to succeed, where others couldn't care less. I blame mine more of stubbornness than anything else....
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