when a police officer decides to remove you from a situation - you do not resist, hit them or continue to shout, yell or say aggressive things, or call for help and thus try to incite a riot. you let them do what they feel is necessary - and if you feel it was unnecessary - you get a good lawyer and fuck them in front of a judge.
edit: and those officers exercised a LOT of RESTRAINT because the minute he pulled away from them and elbowed them away he could have legally been tackled and taken care of for resisting arrest, and assaulting a police officer.
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Can you be detained without knowing what the charge is? That doesn't seem right at all, and was given a half-assed warning that he didn't have time to respond by sitting down, etc. Kerry was about to answer his question for him.
Can you be detained without knowing what the charge is? That doesn't seem right at all, and was given a half-assed warning that he didn't have time to respond by sitting down, etc. Kerry was about to answer his question for him.
Yes, but generally any statments you've made cannot be used in courts until you've been told you're under arrest and have been mirandized.
I'm not sure why it was necessary to try to arrest him immediately after he asked his questions, though he shoudn't have resisted. That was just asking for trouble
You go looking for trouble, chances are you will find it....
I sure hope you're not suggesting that questioning elected officials is looking for trouble. Some would even consider it our duty, as citizens. Obviously, the guy had a bit of an agenda, but they were valid questions were they not, and it seemed like Kerry was willing to address them... I think this is just another sad example of bull-headed student meets over-zealous officers. Reminds me a lot of the UCLA Library situation.
I'd feel more sorry for him if he would not have resisted and walked away peacefully with the cops.
From what I can tell, he didn't do anything wrong, and shouldn't have been arrested. But, if you are arrested, guilty or not, you do not resist like that guy did
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jthxv wrote:
You go looking for trouble, chances are you will find it....
I sure hope you're not suggesting that questioning elected officials is looking for trouble. Some would even consider it our duty, as citizens. Obviously, the guy had a bit of an agenda, but they were valid questions were they not, and it seemed like Kerry was willing to address them... I think this is just another sad example of bull-headed student meets over-zealous officers. Reminds me a lot of the UCLA Library situation.
So, he didn't have a chance to sit down? Kerry was about to answer him? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. EVERY time Kerry TRIED to address him, he simply continued on his retarded ramble. Then, when they told him to step away from the microphone, (at least we have some evidence he was since he said "I'll ask my question, thank you very much" several times, they cut his mike, and then as they tried to escort him out he starts freaking out) he had a GREAT deal of time to step off his soapbox, stop grandstanding, and allow Kerry to answer his idiotic question. But instead, he was too proud.
Also, it is interesting how the first poster editted it to look like he is being compliant and then ends up on the ground tasered...
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Altaica wrote:
jthxv wrote:
You go looking for trouble, chances are you will find it....
I sure hope you're not suggesting that questioning elected officials is looking for trouble. Some would even consider it our duty, as citizens. Obviously, the guy had a bit of an agenda, but they were valid questions were they not, and it seemed like Kerry was willing to address them... I think this is just another sad example of bull-headed student meets over-zealous officers. Reminds me a lot of the UCLA Library situation.
Questioning is fine. But there is a time and place for grandstanding, and when the police told him to quit, he should have. The time to "fight" for your right is in court, after they are infringed on, not with the cops on the scene. BUT, all of that is moot. He was trying to make a speech, and if the people in the room wanted to listen to this piss-ant know-nothing make a speech, they would be paying him to. He cut Kerry off several times, he wasn't asking a question, he was trying to "make a statement." Why did he keep fighting? Did he think there would be a different outcome? He is mentally unstable, and the reason some species eat their young.
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I'm not sure why you quoted me twice, but I see nothing wrong with anything he did up until the point that he physically resisted the police (who I'm not sure had any right to attempt to restrain him in the first place, but that doesn't matter too much once you start resisting and making an ass of yourself).
I see nothing wrong with making an introduction to your questions (or statement as you call it) to set the stage for others (though he did go a little long, but really what harm was there?), nor do I see anything wrong with asking three questions at once. And yes, Kerry was about to answer his question. Right as officers begin to grab him around 1:40 of the first video posted you can hear Kerry say something like "I'm sorry, let me answer your question...". At least, that's what I hear, but I could be delusional as you suggest.
As I said, he was bull-headed, and definitely should not have resisted, but really... what harm was he causing? Kerry seemed willing to address him, and WAS about to answer his questions. Why was it necessary for the police to step in? Let us not forget that we do have Freedom of Speech, and are free to exercise this in public locations. In my opinion, nothing he did to "disturb the peace", "resist arrest", or "incite a riot" came before the officers unnecessarily attempted to restrain him. I'm certainly not suggesting this excuses his actions once they attempted to restrain him, but I'm still trying to understand why they felt it was necessary to do so in the first place.
I'm curious to know what the charge would have been had he not resisted at all...
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I think they were just removing him from the premises, until he started fighting. Schools and Universities are touchy areas when it comes to being a public location... When would he have ever stopped?
And, like I said: If you feel some cop is infringing on your rights, FIGHT THEM IN COURT. You will NOT win on the side of the road/floor of a lecture hall. All this moron did, is PROVE that he was unstable and that it was not safe to have him in that environment. If he wouldn't have been grandstanding, asked his question(s) and shut up so Kerry could respond, there would have never been a problem, and if there was, he would have had a case. The way these people have broke down, I almost hope a republican wins again, just so I can get more unstable liberals freaking out and showing what they are really about.
EDIT:: The first quote was supposed to be of the post above who said that he didn't have time to sit down.... Same with the delusional comment....
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I think they were just removing him from the premises, until he started fighting. Schools and Universities are touchy areas when it comes to being a public location... When would he have ever stopped?
That could be, I'm not sure. I'm not sure even removing him at that point was necessary. I suppose we'll never know for sure though. Public or not, he had a right to be there as far as I can tell.
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And, like I said: If you feel some cop is infringing on your rights, FIGHT THEM IN COURT. You will NOT win on the side of the road/floor of a lecture hall. All this moron did, is PROVE that he was unstable and that it was not safe to have him in that environment. If he wouldn't have been grandstanding, asked his question(s) and shut up so Kerry could respond, there would have never been a problem, and if there was, he would have had a case. The way these people have broke down, I almost hope a republican wins again, just so I can get more unstable liberals freaking out and showing what they are really about.
Yeah, I've agreed many times and have said it myself that he shouldn't have physically fought them. I'm not going to say you should never fight authority, as that would put absolute faith in said authority (you can't fight in court if you're dead, for example), but he certainly went overboard in this case. Like I mentioned before, I think this is another sad case of bull-headed student vs. over-zealous officers.
I was at UF this summer since I worked nearby. When I was walking around with my friends, they pointed out that there are "free speech areas." Basically there are areas of grass where people can say/do anything. From what I understand, you can say all the bad words and public nudity you want. The place where this video took place was not one of those "free speech areas."
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I was at UF this summer since I worked nearby. When I was walking around with my friends, they pointed out that there are "free speech areas." Basically there are areas of grass where people can say/do anything. From what I understand, you can say all the bad words and public nudity you want. The place where this video took place was not one of those "free speech areas."
Not that I agree with the tazed guy (I don't, he was resisting arrest) but isn't our whole country supposed ot be a "free speech area"?
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