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 Post subject: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
PostPosted: Tue 03-18-2008 2:44PM 
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did our degree just get [further] cheapened? this seems like good for MSU students, and does nothing for UMR students.

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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
PostPosted: Tue 03-18-2008 2:49PM 
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This is bullshit. If anybody wants a degree from MST then they should have to come here.

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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
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This is bullshit. If anybody wants a degree from MST then they should have to come here.


There was some talk of this a while back. Basically, they'd still have to, but only for about a year and a half. All the arts and humanities courses would be taken on the MSU campus for MSU credit at MSU tuition rates. Same with all the calculus, physics, and whatnot. UMR/MST would offer some basic engineering classes on the MSU campus, taught by instructors yet to be determined, for combined credit at both MSU and MST, and at the MST tuition rates (which are higher, I do believe.) If you want a degree in the Big Three (civil, mechanical or electrical) they would also offer a section each of what basically amounts to your sophomore classes. (Mechanicals would have Thermo, ME Dynamics, probably Applied Thermo, perhaps one of 208/213/211.)

Then to finish your degree, you'd transfer to UMR for your last two years and concentrate on all of your engineering classes. (Which if you ask me would lovin' SUCK, but hey, some people like five math classes a semester.)

When you graduate you'll get a degree jointly from UMR and MSU, and I don't know where you'd walk but I'm sure you could probably pick your graduation ceremony. (We all know it'll be here because they would have just finished a final on Friday.)

The way I see it it's no worse than people coming out of some of these better community colleges, they're just paying a lot more for those first two years.

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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
PostPosted: Wed 03-19-2008 7:40AM 
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truman already does this.

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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
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Doesn't the CAPs report say that the last 60 hours must be taken on campus?

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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
PostPosted: Wed 03-19-2008 10:05AM 
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truman already does this.


Beat me to it. UMSL also does this with Wash U.

Basically, you take Phys 23, statics, all your courses that don't have your major in the class number in it, then you move up here and take all your in-major classes here.

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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
PostPosted: Thu 03-20-2008 12:53PM 
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This doesn't sound like it cheapens our majors at all, the students transferring in just get the opportunity to start elsewhere, which anyone could do anyway as long as they paid attention to the transfer class equivalence chart (see registrar's web page). All this does is make it easier to do so, since advisers of the said campus have already assembled all the classes and guaranteed their transferability.

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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
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RsaXVC wrote:
truman already does this.


Beat me to it. UMSL also does this with Wash U.

Basically, you take Phys 23, statics, all your courses that don't have your major in the class number in it, then you move up here and take all your in-major classes here.


At UMSL you take your basic classes at UMSL at UMSL rates. You take WashU engineering classes at WashU at UMSL rates. Then you get an UMSL degree. The education is virtually the same. I'd imagine the UMSL degree is probably worth a little less and coss orders of magnitude less than the WashU degree.


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 Post subject: Re: Joint Engineering Program with MSU
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mad duck wrote:
RsaXVC wrote:
truman already does this.


Beat me to it. UMSL also does this with Wash U.

Basically, you take Phys 23, statics, all your courses that don't have your major in the class number in it, then you move up here and take all your in-major classes here.


At UMSL you take your basic classes at UMSL at UMSL rates. You take WashU engineering classes at WashU at UMSL rates. Then you get an UMSL degree. The education is virtually the same. I'd imagine the UMSL degree is probably worth a little less and coss orders of magnitude less than the WashU degree.



The UMSL Degree does say that you got it from Wash U, but the biggest drawback is that the WashU kids get to pick their classes first, so if you're in a hurry to graduate it gets really challenging.

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