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 Post subject: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Fri 04-17-2009 11:24AM 
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Wow, i havn't used torrents in a long time but this is pretty big news coming out about the guilty verdict of the Pirate bay 4. Lot of things will change after this. Given, the site isn't going down anytime soon, this was a trial of the individuals, not piratebay itself.

What do you think?

http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay- ... ct-090417/


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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Fri 04-17-2009 12:17PM 
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This is going to be appealed until it hits the Swedish Supreme Court and they make a decision. In the meantime, technology will continue to improve, the piratebay will still be online, new torrent sites will continue to pop up faster than they can be shut down, file sharing will continue to increase, and the current content distribution industries will continue to bitch about 'lost sales due to piracy' without giving any real hard proof.
In other words, business as usual.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Fri 04-17-2009 1:15PM 
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But maybe in those few years, distribution will improve. I like the idea of places like Steam, Netflix, Pandora, OnLive, Etc. If they continue to come out with services like that, I see piracy falling to the wayside.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Fri 04-17-2009 11:20PM 
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Possibly for games and stuff, but I really don't see music trackers falling out. They're the quickest and easiest* to get music from. They always have the largest libraries and variety of formats. iTunes probably comes the closest in layout to being most helpful, but it's a bitch to navigate. Amazon looks like it could be promising, but they need to get away from the regular amazon look and go towards a more music oriented layout for their stuff.

*once you're in a tracker

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sat 04-18-2009 2:06AM 
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theshed wrote:
This is going to be appealed until it hits the Swedish Supreme Court and they make a decision. In the meantime, technology will continue to improve, the piratebay will still be online, new torrent sites will continue to pop up faster than they can be shut down, file sharing will continue to increase, and the current content distribution industries will continue to bitch about 'lost sales due to piracy' without giving any real hard proof.
In other words, business as usual.


I'm not sure we'll see an increase in file sharing by a very significant amount, if any. I think some people might be scared off by the guilty verdict, but not many. It might also get some people to read about p2p stuff and in so doing actually make more pirates XD

But yeah, probably will be business as usual until it hits their supreme court.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sat 04-18-2009 5:07AM 
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theshed wrote:
This is going to be appealed until it hits the Swedish Supreme Court and they make a decision. In the meantime, technology will continue to improve, the piratebay will still be online, new torrent sites will continue to pop up faster than they can be shut down, file sharing will continue to increase, and the current content distribution industries will continue to bitch about 'lost sales due to piracy' without giving any real hard proof.
In other words, business as usual.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Thu 04-23-2009 8:08PM 
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So its now come out that one of the judges in the trial has links to two Swedish pro-copyright groups. The guys defending the Pirate Bay are obviously calling it conflict of interest and asking for a retrial.
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Stockholm district court judge, Tomas Norström told a Swedish newspaper that his previously-undisclosed entanglements with the copyright groups did not constitute a conflict of interest.

The groups include the Swedish Association of Copyright, a discussion forum. Henrik Pontén of the Swedish Anti-Piracy Bureau, Monique Wadsted, a motion picture industry lawyer, and Peter Danowsky from the recording industry's IFPI are members of the organizations, and were largely responsible for pressing the case against The Pirate Bay before the judge.

Norström also sits on the board of the Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property, and the Internet Infrastructure Foundation, which oversees the dot-se country code and advises on domain name disputes. Monique Wadsted is one of his colleagues at the foundation.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/0 ... flict.html

Retrial or not, I still stand by my previous statement of business as usual.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Thu 04-23-2009 10:34PM 
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personally i think the people that run it are assholes. Be behind whatever construed argument you have for piracy, but they dont give a shit. They stick a middle finger to everyone. If anyone is breaking the law they are.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sat 04-25-2009 8:46PM 
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LostBoyz wrote:
If anyone is breaking the law they are.

But that's the problem. Which law?

They are merely a search engine; they have .torrent files that ultimately give you a list of sources to find illegal material. Is that against the law?

If so, I found another search engine that we need to shut down due to breaking the law. Here's a link to prove my case: http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+xp+torrent

NOTE: Given the fact that I may or may not have used (and loved) TPB, I'm obviously hoping that they don't get shutdown. That's not my main concern, however; my main concern would be the legal precedent (or chain-reaction) a guilty verdict might set off.

It's illegal to obtain pirated copyrighted material. It's illegal to distribute pirated copyrighted material. It's illegal to help pirate copyrighted material. Is it also illegal to simply point someone in the direction of someone else who does one of the above?


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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sat 04-25-2009 9:51PM 
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google isnt hosting any of those sites. TPB hosts torrent files, there is a difference. To say they arent responsible for the files hosted there is pretty BS

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sat 04-25-2009 10:02PM 
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I'm not saying they aren't responsible for the files they host - that's entirely incorrect; they are definitely responsible for hosting and distributing torrent files.

But that's the defense they're taking; they're hosting torrent files, not Warner Bros.' copyrighted movie (et al). There's a difference. Some idiot with uTorrent downloading child porn and unknowingly uploading said movie is the one that is actually distributing the illegal content - not TPB. TPB is only responsible for introducing you to bert... I mean Mr. Pedophile (and his torrent program).


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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sat 04-25-2009 10:10PM 
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someone could own a courier service and not ask questions of their cargo (so they could potentially carry drugs or illegal weapons), but if they got pulled over the person who owned the company and/or driver would be going prison

It isnt a perfect analogy, but they are hosting a tracker which is basically a courier service of information transfer. You cant just help massive amounts of people transfer whatever they want, and organize a site that has categories like movies and music.

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PostPosted: Sun 04-26-2009 1:03AM 
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LostBoyz wrote:
someone could own a courier service and not ask questions of their cargo (so they could potentially carry drugs or illegal weapons), but if they got pulled over the person who owned the company and/or driver would be going prison

It isnt a perfect analogy, but they are hosting a tracker which is basically a courier service of information transfer. You cant just help massive amounts of people transfer whatever they want, and organize a site that has categories like movies and music.


If we want to go with the drug analogy - look at it like this. TPB isn't buying, selling, or even transporting drugs. They're basically just there for the introduction. If I went up to Berto and said "you know where i could score some green" and he replied "try LostBoyz" - he's really not doing anything illegal (for that act at least). Just putting 2 peers in touch with each other - there's nothing wrong with that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sun 04-26-2009 3:28AM 
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that is not the correct analogy. they are more than connecting peers they are supplying a means of the transportation of potentially (no mystery to anyone) illegal data. There is little ambiguity when at least 90% of the content on their site is illegal. I don't know why anyone sticks up for these people they are not your friends.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty
PostPosted: Sun 04-26-2009 2:31PM 
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LostBoyz wrote:
they are more than connecting peers they are supplying a means of the transportation of potentially (no mystery to anyone) illegal data.
How exactly are they doing that? Granted, I don't know the ins and outs of the torrent/P2P protocol, but don't the TPB servers simply hand you some hashing information and a bunch of IP's and let you do the rest? An open-source protocol implemented into free (and legal) software is what provides the "means of transportation" - TPB just gives you a roadmap.


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