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 Post subject: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Wed 03-03-2010 1:03PM 
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Story: http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2010/2/27/cotton-strewn-front-black-culture-center/
Arrests: http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/mar/03/two-arrested-cotton-ball-incident/


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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Wed 03-03-2010 1:10PM 
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Chancellor Deaton wrote:
“This university is fully committed to tolerance and respect for every one of its members, and this kind of conduct will not be tolerated"


I just thought that statement was ringing with irony...

Everyone can agree that this is probably not socially acceptable behavior, but how can they suspend/expell these students without being first proven guilty? Although the second guy's smirk is pretty suspicious looking, I don't think you should be able to be expelled just for being accused of something.

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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Wed 03-03-2010 2:22PM 
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Overkill. Seriously.

It would be one thing if they were actually threatening physical harm, but for frak's sake, they're just a couple of bigots who pulled a bad stunt.


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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Wed 03-03-2010 3:24PM 
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well, if what they allegedly did is actually illegal, and they are convicted as such, then expulsion is understandable, but as it stands, their semester is screwed already before any legal proceedings have even started.

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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Wed 03-03-2010 3:59PM 
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thats the part that I find disturbing

i guess I've never found cotton balls to be referenced to race. Is it a hate crime to put anything white in front of a black persons house? So if I were to park a white car on their side of the street or something I could go to jail?

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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Wed 03-03-2010 4:24PM 
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And here I thought this thread was going to be about the reason black people don't use aspirin... Darn.


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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Wed 03-03-2010 5:37PM 
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thats the part that I find disturbing

i guess I've never found cotton balls to be referenced to race. Is it a hate crime to put anything white in front of a black persons house? So if I were to park a white car on their side of the street or something I could go to jail?


You REALLY don't see how cotton balls are different from, say, plastic forks or toilet paper?

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Reading through the responses to the Tribune article...
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As far as how these two are related/why these are the two who were arrested, they're both in MU's ROTC...

Send THEM to IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
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LostBoyz wrote:
i guess I've never found cotton balls to be referenced to race. Is it a hate crime to put anything white in front of a black persons house? So if I were to park a white car on their side of the street or something I could go to jail?


*cough...cough...hack*


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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Thu 03-04-2010 12:15AM 
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LostBoyz wrote:
i guess I've never found cotton balls to be referenced to race. Is it a hate crime to put anything white in front of a black persons house? So if I were to park a white car on their side of the street or something I could go to jail?


Sorry to point out the obvious and all dude but its a reference to slaves picking cotton and the vandalism/hate crime happened "occurred on the 48th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s decision to desegregate public transportation" (Story article).


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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
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While I agree that the cotton balls were definitely used because of their relevance, I still think the whole thing is stupid.

Some people decide to pull a prank (albeit in bad taste), and now people are tossing around the 'hate crime' idea? Gimme a break.


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PostPosted: Thu 03-04-2010 9:07AM 
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I agree with the humor part of it and all, but this is by definition a hate crime. The only problem is how seriously hate crimes are taken. In my opinion the world is too PC today and is probably only going to get worse. I agree that the constitution protects many inalienable rights such as freedom of speech, press, assembly, etc; but as Penn (from Penn & Teller) said on their show 'Bull$hit': People do NOT have the right not to be offended.

Treat this as a misdemeanor vandalism (or just a case of littering?), but a class D misdemeanor.


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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Thu 03-04-2010 9:55AM 
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dar9q7 wrote:
... but as Penn (from Penn & Teller) said on their show 'Bull$hit': People do NOT have the right not to be offended.

Treat this as a misdemeanor vandalism (or just a case of littering?), but a class D misdemeanor.



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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Thu 03-04-2010 10:56AM 
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dar9q7 wrote:
I agree with the humor part of it and all, but this is by definition a hate crime.

You're right about that. I actually had to Google and find out the real definition of "hate crime" because I was on the edge of even agreeing with that.

dar9q7 wrote:
The only problem is how seriously hate crimes are taken.
QFT. Here's some kids that decided to go to college and try to get a degree that would (hopefully) give them the opportunity to do something with their lives. Now people are clamoring to get them convicted of a hate crime and all that jazz.

Did they go out and run over the first black person they saw? Or lynch him? Or raise a burning cross in his front yard? No... they threw some cotton balls on the ground.

What's next? I get arrested for offering a black man some fried chicken and he calls it a hate crime?


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 Post subject: Re: Cotton balls
PostPosted: Thu 03-04-2010 11:31AM 
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You know.. If those guys really committed this as a hate crime, and not just some drunk prank... then the black community is giving them just what they want by creating this giant stir... If they had just dismissed it as the ignorant and stupid antics or bigotry that it was, I would think it would go away a lot sooner...

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