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 Post subject: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 8:53PM 
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I have a neighbor that has been smoking in his apartment. I personally don't care what he does but it's been filling my apartment with smoke. My clothes are starting to smell and I'm getting headaches constantly.

I've talked to Investment Realty (who I rent from) and they basically said there is nothing they can do. It's not in my lease that it's a non smoking apartment.

I've tried to talk to him and ask him to stop, but he just looks at me like I'm an idiot and slams the door shut. He's a total douche.

So what do I do? What are my rights? I really don't want to move, but I might have to. I can't stand this anymore.

The only thing that I can find is this statute. But I'm not really sure this applies.

Help! Right now I'm either going to move or kill him. If so, who has the best deal on guns in this town? I've been to a couple pawn shops and they all have crap. And Walmart doesn't sell hand guns.


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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 9:09PM 
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TBrownstein wrote:
kill him


These seems like a reasonable alternative.

Or invest in a garden hose with spray nozzle.

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 9:51PM 
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How is it getting into your apartment


One solution is to start smoking

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 10:00PM 
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I'm not sure. I guess it's going through the walls. It smells the worst in my bathroom. So through the pipes?! I don't know.

Unfortunately that solution will not cause him any type of bodily injury (unless he's allergic to my smoke).


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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 10:04PM 
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step 1) poop in a bag
step 2) put bag in front of his door
step 3) set fire to bag
step 4) ring doorbell/knock really loudly
step 5) run

hilarity ensues... or burns down the building... either way, you get him back

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 10:09PM 
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el_lorenzo wrote:
step 1) poop in a bag
step 2) put bag in front of his door
step 3) set fire to bag
step 4) ring doorbell/knock really loudly
step 5) run

hilarity ensues... or burns down the building... either way, you get him back


Could said poop be put on a catapult and shot at him as he walks outside? Still burning of course.

But seriously, is it illegal in anyway to force others to smell your smoke?


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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 10:21PM 
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Have you tried hitting him with a brick?

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 10:38PM 
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TBrownstein wrote:
I'm not sure. I guess it's going through the walls. It smells the worst in my bathroom. So through the pipes?! I don't know.

Unfortunately that solution will not cause him any type of bodily injury (unless he's allergic to my smoke).



It's probably coming from your bathroom fan. Usually their all connected together for ventilation. So one solution would be to keep that fan running and see if the smoke smell dies down after a while. My neighbors love to cook with Garlic and I've got a similar problem as you do. I just traced it down to the ventilation and the problem was solved.


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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 10:39PM 
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The only thing I could see happening is if you complained to IR about the state of your apartment. I don't really think that smoke should be able to travel between the 2, so you might be able to get some traction there.
There is some free legal aid available, not sure where my gf found it, that could possibly give you some pointers on this.

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Tue 12-16-2008 11:27PM 
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I return from retirement to bring you this:

Common law has a nuisance tort. You could sue the guy directly, probably in small claims court on your own if you were willing to put in the effort. Dunno if you can seek an injunction in small claims court though...

http://www.ncsu.edu/project/are306/lecturenotes/Unit7NNuisance.pdf wrote:
Nuisance is defined as the unlawful and unreasonable interference with the
enjoyment of the property of another (in other words, someone creates a condition that is
obnoxious to his neighbor). This tort protects the landowner’s right to quiet enjoyment
(use) of his property. It is not necessary to have a physical invasion in order to establish
the tort of nuisance. Rather, the disturbance is often noises or odors.
Nuisances may be of two types: (1) public or (2) private. A public nuisance is
one that affects a large group of members of the public, not necessarily their land. An
action to abate (correct) a public nuisance must be brought by a governmental agency,
and, in addition to the civil suit, the government could also bring criminal charges against
the wrongdoer. A public nuisance is not generally considered a tort.
A private nuisance involves a particular injury to a specific individual landowner.
In this case, the suit against the wrongdoer may be brought by the affected individual. If
he can establish that his enjoyment of his property was significantly diminished, he may
recover monetary damages and/or injunctive relief. Private nuisances may be brought
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under any of the three tort theories (strict liability, intentional tort, negligence) that we
studied. Most nuisance suits are based upon a theory of intentional tort. A nuisance may
begin as a negligent act; however, once a neighboring landowner objects to the activity
and the person creating the nuisance refuses to stop, the activity becomes intentional.
Example: Elvis is in his apartment playing his guitar. Nate lives in the apartment next
door and tells Elvis to stop. Elvis refuses. If Elvis' music is a nuisance then the tort has
become intentional.
A nuisance may be both public and private if a large group is affected and, in
addition, some individuals are injured in unique ways. This depends on the facts of the
specific case, and because of the difficulty involved in determining those facts, courts and
attorneys do not always distinguish between public and private nuisances.
There are several nuisance theories on which private nuisance claims can be
based. The first is strict liability. If the activity of the wrongdoer or the conditions are
abnormally dangerous, he can be held strictly liable for resulting injuries, even if he was
not negligent. A second nuisance theory is intentional interference with another’s
enjoyment. This is the most frequently used basis for nuisance suits. The intentional
interference must also be considered to be unreasonable (i.e., (a) the gravity of the harm
outweighs the utility of the conduct or (b) the harm caused is serious and the cost to
compensate for it makes the conduct not feasible). A third nuisance theory is negligence,
where all of the elements must be present: (1) existence of a duty, (2) breach of that duty,
(3) causation in fact and proximate causation, and (4) actual damages.
The courts have found different remedies for private nuisances, based on the
circumstances. One remedy is an injunction (the correction of the condition) which is an
appropriate remedy when the condition is one that can be changed. This is also called
“abatement.” If the condition cannot be abated, the plaintiff will seek monetary damages
for the loss of his property value due to the permanent nature of the nuisance. The court
has the flexibility to impose both remedies if it finds that to be appropriate for the
particular circumstances.
In deciding whether to enjoin a nuisance or award monetary damages, the court
often balances hardships and benefits. Once a nuisance is determined, then the court
must find an appropriate remedy. The North Carolina Court of Appeals distinguished
between the two balancing tests (unreasonable interference and remedy) by looking at the
consequences of the defendant’s actions versus the unreasonableness of the defendant’s
actions themselves. Where the plaintiff is not without fault it is possible that the plaintiff
may be forced to pay part or all of the cost of abating the nuisance.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance wrote:
Legally, the term “nuisance” is traditionally used in three ways:

* 1) to describe an activity or condition that is harmful or annoying to others (e.g., indecent conduct, a rubbish heap or a smoking chimney)
* 2) to describe the harm caused by the before-mentioned activity or condition (e.g., loud noises or objectionable odors)
* 3) to describe a legal liability that arises from the combination of the two[2]. However, the “interference” was not the result of a neighbor stealing land or trespassing on the land. Instead, it arose from activities taking place on another person’s land that affected the enjoyment of that land[3].

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Wed 12-17-2008 12:30AM 
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TBrownstein,

The statute you mention has no bearing on your situation, since smoke is not being emitted into the open air, but rather into your apartment, a closed space. So it cannot be a public nuisance. You can try to bring forth a tort in small claims court, and it would probably do you well to do so if you had the means to drag it out for a while...all that has to happen is have the other guy miss one court date, in which case you motion for default judgment, and the other guy pays damages.

Realize that in Rolla it's not likely that a judge is going to be too sympathetic for somebody like yourself who's complaining about what somebody else does in his personal space. Though there are some on the Board of Aldermen who supported a smoking ban in Rolla...so the support is there somewhere.

Get with a lawyer or a paralegal friend to help you write this. A good paralegal would be able to do this for you if you happen to know any. Bill Hickle does night court for the city, I don't know who handles small claims. Obviously don't pick a lawyer who's going to end up being the judge.

In the meantime buy you some duct tape, and use it for its intended purpose.

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Wed 12-17-2008 12:47AM 
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Also, the tort mentions several times "landowner's right"... not really sure where renters fall on this, but IMO you don't own the land so this probably doesn't apply 100% to you.

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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Wed 12-17-2008 2:00AM 
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Yeah I know there isn't really anything that I can do directly. I was more hoping that I could show some of these laws to IR and have them enforce it. It's really not that big of a deal to take him to court.

Besides, I like the idea of killing him more.

He actually probably wont be a big problem for long. A few weeks ago he had several eviction notices on his door for failure to pay. I'm not sure how he got out of it, but hopefully he'll be gone soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Laws against smoking
PostPosted: Wed 12-17-2008 2:59AM 
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I doubt that going after the individual will get you anywhere. Smoking in your own residence isn't against the law. Your problem is with the landlord. If you have the clause about enjoyment (no loud noises that disturb neighbors, etc) then you can use that to the effect of how you can't enjoy your own living space because your neighbor is creating a disturbance. Of course, they will probably brush you off and then you'll have to look into other options. It takes a while to get evicted but maybe one day the cops will show up and throw him out.

Do us a favor and don't use a gun. So overdone. Use a burning cigarette instead. If you don't succeed you can always count on the government to ban the murder weapon instead of the murder and problem solved.

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PostPosted: Wed 12-17-2008 3:02AM 
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Looks like someone has 9 lives.

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