With a shit-load of ILLEGAL immigrants coming through our borders everyday, how do we stop terrorists from using this weakness against us?

Putting razor wire and land mines along the border would definitely slow the flood of illegals but backing the Border Patrol with the National Guard and Military would put a stop to it.

What say you?

I would just like to say that i'm half-mexican. If it wasnt for those ILLEGAL immigrants, I wouldnt be here today. I understand your desperate need to feel safe, just like any other gun toating red-neck american would, but that is not a valid solution to the problem. Although I would really like to lock and delete this thread, i'll let you continue this thread, but the second this becomes a racism issue, you're gone, and so is this thread.

I don't really see the problem. I imagine most of the terrorists are legal anyway.

As far as I care, Illegal immigrants are welcome to the United States.

So you're making this into an attack against you? You're the only one here even thinking about racism. National security is a major concern with this nation, and it should be on everybody's mind, not simply the "gun-toting redneck Americans". Hmm. That seems a little racist to me. Maybe you should practice what you preach here, pardner.

In any case, the issue isn't trying to keep out your illegal ancestors. (While that subject is up, however, I'll let you know that I don't care what color a person's skin is or what nation he comes from; if he feels like he can come over and live on American soil and benefit from American aid programs and American infrastructure, while dodging American labor laws and not paying American taxes, well he doesn't deserve to be called an American. That's not being racist, that's confronting an American economic problem. We have more hands in the pot crying for money than we have hands paying in.)

The issue at hand is this. We now have fairly secure air borders. Every US-inbound international flight has their list of passengers checked against an FBI list of known criminals and a CIA list of suspected Al Qaeda followers. Not to mention that we know every person on an international flight has a visa or a passport to their country. We can check records of who's here and where they're from. It's by no means foolproof, but neither is it ineffective. Our air borders are more secure because of this.

The problem is that we don't have the same kind of security on our physical borders. Every day, about a hundred Mexicans cross the US-Mexico border absolutely unnoticed. Therefore, if a terrorist faction wants to do something in the United States, they can mobilize in Mexico and cross our border illegally. We can't do anything about it because we don't have the infrastructure to stop it. THIS is the issue that was brought up for discussion.

Yeah Bountry Hunter starts off with an argument versus terrorists

But it ends quickly...

He starts off just fine, but then quickly branches off, and talks about keeping illegals out.

funny, the last time I checked, america was the melting pot of the world, so I doubt that referring to americans makes me racist. Infact i'm referring to a mentality, not a race, the "shoot anything that moves" mentality.

In any case, I mainly responded to this thread quickly due to the fact that there was a thread very similar to this, except instead of using terrorism as an excuse he used some other subject, which quickly escalated to "shoot whomever crosses the border". What you fail to realize is, it doesnt matter who comes across the border or not, they can be legal citizens and still be terrorists. There are a few articles concerning the National ID that explain this theory really well.

The top post was flaimbait, author should be flogged.

Lets face it, there are a lot of jobs Americans are unwilling to do, and if Mexicans want to perform jobs that Americans are unwilling to do for whatever reason (i.e. pay, work environment)...well, welcome to America. The exploitation of new immigrant stock is one of the reasons why we're as rich a country as we are today. (For instance, my family came over around the 1860s and were poor farmers until a few generations ago). That's not to say that all Mexicans coming across the border are migrant or low wage workers, but that's seems to be the primary occupation until a generation or more in (Source: http://www.ailf.org/ipc/ipf0902.asp). I think it's great if people want to come and make a life for themselves, it will only add to the US workforce and create more wealth for everyone.

The 9/11 terrorists didn't come through the Mexican border. The militarization of the border would simply be a reaction by racist Americans (white, black, mexican, whatever). Terrorists are going to get in if they want to, they'll figure out a way. The border security bs is simply a distraction to take attention away from real problems, such as Iraq, dewindling rights, and the erosion of the US as a superpower.

A bigger threat to national security I think is China. They're rapidly updating their military, have a huge stockpile of money, and really really want Taiwan back.

~ K

When something like National ID is tacked to a military spending bill (which no representative in their right mind would vote down, they'd be flogged by the media and public), it should be obvious how shitty of an idea it is.

It's just going to make getting a drivers license and such more difficult and time consuming for the average american (and with lines already like they are at the DMV, at least in my experience, it should be interesting to see).

~ K

I think it's kinda interesting how immediately you start talking about Mexico. Ya know, we do have another border that people could be getting in by crossing.



You do realize how much it would cost to outline the entire border? And you'd have a lot of problems with that idea when it came to the ocean. You couldnt just wire off beaches...you'd have to go far out in the ocean..which isnt actually owned by us...to get a full fence-type barrier.

It's implied that the parent post was talking about putting the military on the US-Mexico border. I haven't heard any talk of putting a substantial military presence on the US-Canada border (though I might have missed it, I watch a lot of news but not all of it).

Like I said in my previous post, the terrorists didn't come across the US-Mexico border. Securing it is possible, through the use of sensors and troops, but the benefits of a youthful, strong workforce outweighs the few violent offenders than come across the border.

~ K

The nation was founded on illegal immigrants, our economy depends upon people willing to work for almost nothing. think of it as out soucing inwards.

A segment of our economy at least. Crediting illegal immigrants to the entire success of the US is an overexaggeration. A lot of people have come here legally, though the restrictions on their entering the US were probably not quite as stringent.

~ K

All I've got to say is there has to be some control, otherwise things could escalate to fast and people will be using them as scape-goats for everyone's problems.

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Now that I can agree with.

No, that was an assumption you made in your infinite ignorance. There was nothing racists in the original post, yet it instantly reduced to such. The term illegals doesn't refer to some specific race or ethnic group, but instead a group of people who are in this country ILLEGAL. Hence the term. One would think some of you would understand this.

People who are in this country illegally shouldn't be in this country PERIOD. Their presence does nothing but hurt the people who are either here or trying to get here legally, so we really should take measures to take care of the problem. There is a "right" and "wrong" way of doing everything, and people who decide to do things the "wrong" way should not be rewarded.

It shouldn't matter if a large majority of illegal immigrants are of a one or two races, since they're all breaking the laws of this country. People who can't understand this should really wake up.

How else can that be interpreted than the US-Mexico border? I've heard no one talk about putting razor wire and land mines on the canadian border...

And I haven't heard a lot of call for people from Europe or Asia to be shipped back that have false/outdated visas...

But whatever, I'm done. You're right Lord.

~ K