The minutemen have pushed me over the edge... so has hannity and o'reilly.

The minutemen, along with hannity say that if 1 or 100 terrorists wanted to cross our border, they could do so just as easily as these 'righteous' mexicans are doing for a decent job, and an opportunity to send money back home. and the former is the problem that overrules the tolerable later, the terrorists shouldn't be allowed to get in. I will give hannity credit for showing the videos of 'endless' queues of mexicans walking across dirt paths.

now, along the same train of thought, if one person can get an assault rifle from a gun show with a minimum security check and no records being recorded, then a 100 can do it, and well, it can get big.

I can see the train of thought that if our borders were perfectly secure (and most people admit that they can never be), perhaps assault rifles can be sold so freely, but atleast until then, why don't the minutemen go block the entrance of gun shows.

Atleast the president said these people are vigilantes. I need http://www.foxblocker.com, so I can stop stumbling on to Fox news channel, the crazyness is just too good to not watch at times.

*side note*

f the mexican border, the candian border has something like 14 guards across the entire thing and 10 are in michigan. yea illegal immigrants arent coming across but terrorists easily could

What the heck kinds of gun shows do YOU attend?? All sellers have to have FFLs (Federal firearms licenses), and all buyers have to fill out a 4473 form and submit to a NICS quick background check. The 4473 is kept by the seller for 20 years.

Then again, it's very likely that you've never 1) attended a gun show, 2) bought a gun from a retail establishment or 3) sold guns at a retail establishment. So there's a very good chance that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

There's plenty of ways for would-be terrorists to get weapons easily and illegaly. Gun shows aren't one of those we'd have to worry about.

You forget that since he doesn't know anything about guns or gun laws, he learns everything from watching TV. Therefore, he probably believes that machine guns are completely legal, and anybody can go to a gun show and buy any gun with a "minimal background check." So he likely doesn't know what a NICS check is.

NICS is the "national instant check system" and is a phone call to an FBI database of criminal records that is kept on all american citizens in a central location. When the FFL holder calls, they give your SSN and name, and NICS returns with sale or no sale. No criminals, druggies, mental patients, immigrants, someone with a restraining order, or anybody else can buy a gun. Only someone with a completely clean record.

And since that Arizona drivers license office was crashed and the license making machines were stolen recently, there's plenty of REAL fake IDs going around. So making background checks stricter wouldn't help. Not to mention the whole black market for machine guns (which regular citizens can't get anyway) and other illegal guns, which require no background check because the sellers are ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. No terrorist would go to a gun show, there's too many cops, BATFE, and Americans there for them to get a gun. They'll go to the same place that gangs and drug dealers get their guns.

As far as I'm concerned, the minutemen should be shooting every person that tries to cross the border. They could be terrorists, they're likely to be drug dealers/runners or gang members running guns, or they could just be immigrants who want to live off of our prosperity. If they knew they'd get shot while TRYING TO COMMIT A FELONY, maybe they'd stay in mexico and start a revolution instead of coming over here and sending money back to their corrupt government.

Way to skew the problem entirely, its so nice to see people continuing to just make up their own information by totally missing the point. The open border is a HUGE problem. Drugs, and continual leeching from the american tax base by Vicente Fox's shitty government is killing states in the southwest. California is forced to spend billions on taking care of these illegals and it is bankrupting the state. That is not a skewed fact, it is pure numerical evidence. The real problem with the overly porous border is all of these things. Until the stupid government, Bush included wakes up to this fact, we are going to constantly face the rampant drug/people trafficking and the constant possibility that terrorists are coming in unchecked. The boarder can not be perfectly closed, but through a combination of putting the national guard down there to back up the boarder patrol, and removing the incentives of coming to the country illegally, we can sure as hell slow it down. By your reasoning, we shouldn't do anything unless it can be done perfectly. Please tell me the last time our government did ANYTHING perfectly. Also, Bush needs to put major pressure on Vicente Fox to stop helping his people illegally come into this country. He actually (through his actions) supports mass illegal immigration to our country so that the money sent back will continue to help his abysmal economy continue to limp along.

Enough publicity? Hardly enough if you ask me, I have yet to see the government take a serious look at this issue.

That Fox Blocker site cracks me up. God forbid we have a single news network that appeals to conservatives.

You DO realize the weapons banned by the 'assault' weapons ban are not much different from a regular semi-auto rifle, right? REAL assault weapons (the automatic kind) have been banned since prohibition, and no one's looking to make them legal. These scare tactics by panty-waisted pansies is rediculous. The people that own guns legally are not the people we need to worry about.

/rant

Fox News hurts my head. They don't even make the pretense of trying to be a pure news organization. I want the news reported to me. I don't want it to be twisted to a purely Republican point o' view.

On a side note, the O'Reilly skits on SNL crack me up something fierce

So what you're saying is that you'd rather have your news twisted to a purely democratic point of view?

And when you say "Fox News", perhaps you're really talking about the Fox News Commentary shows, like the Factor, Hannity and Colmes, etc... but if you're wanting to get your news from a commentary show, then all you'll get is skewed "reporting" (Republican or Democrat).

Moral of Story: Everyone has an opinion, and no one cares about anyone else's.

Carl

I think what he's saying is that he wants his news sources to at least pretend like they're non-biased. Fox News won't even do that.

And CNN does a crappy job of pretending. The point is?

The commentary shows usually report news, if the viewers haven't heard it, and then comment on it, both of which are skewed on FOX.

I have to agree with the assessment that illegals do other bad things too, like drugs. but they also provide cheap labor too which this country needs, I'm not arguing any of those things. I said all most of them do is work here and end up sending money home.

I am arguing against, why these minutemen are using quote "if terrorists wanted to cross our border, they could do so just as easily as illegals are doing it now, and the former is the problem that overrules the 'tolerable' later, the terrorists shouldn't be allowed to get in. " Hannity repeated statements very similar to this several times. If 1 can buy a assault rifle, with a fake/stolen id at a gun show, then 100 can too. which should overrule your right to buy assault rifle.

I'm not talking about the people who own guns legally or about anything other than reinstating the assault weapons ban. I'm talking about how easy it is to get an assault rifle once you are in the country. The 'legal' way seems just as easy as the illegal way, especially with a fake id.

I don't think anyone is arguing that FOX isn't skewed to the right of the political spectrum. But don't pretend like the rest of the networks aren't just as biased in the opposite direction. Naivete goes in both directions on that issue.

Making assault rifles more difficult to get legally would only cause criminals to pursue them in other shadier markets. It wouldn't solve any problems, just create new ones.

my poli sci teacher tried to convince everyone that the media is all conservatives because of the demographic that republicans are uppermiddle class to upper class, so they own everything. pretty funny guy. at the time I tried to say that gore team running for president was worth more than 500million dollars, but he didnt believe me.

I don't care if my news organization is Republican or Democratic.

Just report me the goddamn news, and keep the opinions to a minimum.