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What do you think of this?
Let it die 58%  58%  [ 14 ]
Renew it and infringe my rights further 16%  16%  [ 4 ]
What is the AWB? 25%  25%  [ 6 ]
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PostPosted: Tue 09-07-2004 1:19PM 
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A useless ban that was restricting our second ammendment rights is set to expire Sept. 13.
For more info go here:
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PostPosted: Tue 09-07-2004 1:21PM 
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Damn. From the title of your thread, I was hoping this was going to be related to the Average White Band.


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PostPosted: Tue 09-07-2004 2:12PM 
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I have mixed feelings on the ban, being a hunter and gun owner, but also being for gun control.

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The development of the pistol grip on rifles and shotguns is really an offshoot of improved ergonomics. It is just more comfortable to carry a rifle or shotgun with a pistol grip. When carrying a rifle with a pistol grip, your wrist is allowed to stay straight and inline with your lower arm. If one tries to carry a rifle with a conventional stock, one has to “cock” the wrist at about a 45-degree angle in order to hold on to it. This can cause cramping and fatigue.

According to The Brady Campaign “A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon. The pistol grip also helps the shooter stabilize the firearm during rapid fire and make it easier to shoot assault rifles one-handed.”

Any rifle or shotgun can be “fired from the hip” if one is not concerned with accuracy. There is nothing about a pistol grip that makes this easier. If a shooter wants to hit an object, he or she must use some type of sighting device, otherwise it is pure luck. Unless you are a movie star.


I carry a shotgun w/o a pistol grip for hours while rabbit hunting and i have to disagree with that. It dosen't hurt my wrist at all. Use of a sling also makes it much easier to carry a firearm long distances.
However making such a feature illegial really wouldn't help save any lives.

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There are a number of different ways that cartridges can be carried in a weapon. Revolvers use a round cylinder which rotates each time the weapon is fired. Some rifles and shotguns use a tubular magazine, which uses a spring to feed a new cartridge into place. Some rifles have an internal, non-detachable magazine. The capacity of these various types range from 3 to more than 20 cartridges.

A detachable magazine is a component that individual cartridges are loaded into, but it differs from those previously noted because it can be removed from the firearm. One can carry multiple magazines and re-load the firearm quickly and efficiently. There are a variety of pistols and rifles that use a detachable magazine. The capacity of a magazine varies by the physical size of the cartridge, and the type of firearm it is used in. Most military style weapons can accept magazines that typically carry 10 to 30 cartridges at a time.

The AWB has made it illegal for a citizen to own or purchase magazines with capacities larger than 10 cartridges that have been manufactured or imported after the ban was made law.

The intent of having a smaller magazine capacity is that a criminal could not fire as many shots as rapidly, therefore reducing the ability to kill of wound more people. However, the statistical evidence reported in the previously mentioned National Institute of Justice report shows:

“The ban has failed to reduce the average number of victims per gun murder incident or multiple gunshot wound victims.”

Because “assault weapons” are rarely used in gun crimes, a significant change in numbers of victims would not be expected.



For one thing, it is pretty easy to come by detachable magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. All made before 1994 are grandfathered and still legal to trade and posses. Go open a Cabela's and they still are selling leftovers.

There is no practical need when it comes to hunting to be able to shoot more than 10 rounds without reloading. If you are target shooting or plinking it can come in handy to spend alot of ammuniton without reloading, however if it takes you 10 shots to kill your game you need to stay out of the woods.

But, just because there isn't a practical need for it dosen't mean it should be illegial.

Anyway....as i said i have mixed feelings on the ban....being a gun owner i think it is pretty stupid to ban weapons that look scary, however i would like to see some non-biased comparissions of pre ban and post ban crime rates the ban was supposed to lower.


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PostPosted: Tue 09-07-2004 4:01PM 
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I'm pretty sure one of the government agencies did a study and basically said the ban didn't decrease crime. I cannot prove this however, because my source of such info with links and the like is down because their server is in florida.

I personally thought the ban was/is retarded. It is completely about cosmetic features. My AR with a pistol grip is MUCH more comfortable to shoot than a gun without a pistol grip. At least, to me it feels that way. And why did they include bayonet lugs in the ban? When was the last time somebody went on a murderous rampage and used a bayonet?


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PostPosted: Tue 09-07-2004 8:57PM 
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Even the proponents of the ban say that it had no effect on gun violence. Every study that I have read or read a summary of finds the same. The criminals are just that: criminals. They do not follow laws and therefore a ban like this one only infringes on the rights of the law-abiding citizens of the country. This law was only passed with a compromise: the sunset clause. The opponents went along with this law if it was a "trial".
If anyone wants to see how stricter gun laws affect violent crime, as the ban was supposed to help lower, turn to our neighbor the north. The rate of home invasion is staggeringly much higher because the criminals know that the likelyhood of a homeowner being able to defind himself is much lower.
Many of the times it is not that a homeowner has a firearm it is that he may. If outlawed these odds decrease and bad things may happen.
If anyone has any questions on the specifecs of the ban feel free to post a question. I am very knowledgable about the AWB.

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