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 Post subject: Terri Schiavo, die already
PostPosted: Fri 03-25-2005 9:45AM 
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I'm getting tired of seeing the same damn footage of her every 5 minutes. And how in the hell is this story staying on top of news programs for so long? This country needs another war somewhere to cover, cause the media here sucks.

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PostPosted: Fri 03-25-2005 9:50AM 
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nice...way to go.

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PostPosted: Fri 03-25-2005 11:24AM 
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well, if they didnt remove the feeding tube, the coverage would have been what it was before they took it out, about nil.

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PostPosted: Fri 03-25-2005 12:04PM 
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It should be nil regardless.

Kevorkian could be of use here......


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PostPosted: Fri 03-25-2005 12:38PM 
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ben laden wrote:
...Kevorkian could be of use here......


He's my idol. Does what needs to be done. Only, in this case, not sure she could push her own button

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PostPosted: Fri 03-25-2005 3:13PM 
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I think it is in the news so much because some believe that terri's prognosis has been made in error. I read a 7 page affidavit by a neurolgist that had visited her n wednesday, and he thinks that she is not in PVS (persistant vegetative state). According to him, she has shown responsive reactions to conversations (not just the sound of words, but contents). And because of this, and some other reasons, he thinks that she is instead in a state called minimal concensnous (sp) state, which to my understanding is a severly brain damaged person. She has not been analyized for 3 years, and her status may have changed. I believe this is what the parents are basing their multiple law suits on.

Here is a link to the affidavit if you want t read it...

clicky!

Basically, people believe doctors are not doing their jobs correctly.

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PostPosted: Fri 03-25-2005 4:15PM 
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I am also of tired of getting onto seek and having to see more on this whole stupid ordeal. She is brain dead, and brain dead people need to have their plugs pulled cause they are just a waste of money to keep someone that has been in a come for seven or more years and will likely never wake up. And if this girls husband would of wanted her to die with dignity, she ain't getting it now since her whole problem is smeared all over the news. Sure that might sound insensitive but imagine all the money the country could save if they just put down all brain damaged peopel then spending tax dollars to keep these vegtables around. Screw the innocent


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lol

lets kill off all the brain dead people...hahahaha

*insert dumb crack about kyros being next on the list for elimination*

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I think that she has no meaningful life, and has no chance for recovery. I don't think starving her to death is the answer, though.

We put down lame animals, why not people?

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PostPosted: Sat 03-26-2005 3:04PM 
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Wow, you guys are fucking horrible. She is a living breathing person. If she was a vegtable then she would be nothing, but she isn't. The brain is still a very mysterious thing that we don't know about, and people have came back from her condition. I think it's pretty sick how we are starving her to death. There is no evidence that she wants to die, just hearsay, only her husbands word.

If you were her parents, how the fuck would you feel? You would just want to pull the plug on your own flesh and blood? Fuck you guys.


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PostPosted: Sat 03-26-2005 5:30PM 
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geewhzz wrote:
Wow, you guys are fucking horrible. She is a living breathing person. If she was a vegtable then she would be nothing, but she isn't. The brain is still a very mysterious thing that we don't know about, and people have came back from her condition. I think it's pretty sick how we are starving her to death. There is no evidence that she wants to die, just hearsay, only her husbands word.

If you were her parents, how the fuck would you feel? You would just want to pull the plug on your own flesh and blood? Fuck you guys.


First.. I would feel sad, I would mourn, then I would consider all the information available. I would respect her wishes, and realize the quality of life that she will be living would not be acceptable to her rational mind. I would then pull the plug myself and send her on her way.

I don't think that "we" are doing anything to her. The legislative branch made efforts to save her, the courts have said no. I believe it comes down to one issue; her living will. I don't even know if she had one, but if she did and it says she doesn't want that level of assisted living, then she starves and dies. She would have known what she was getting herself into when she wrote it. If she told her husband her wishes but never wrote them down, then what the husband says, goes. She's married and no longer in her parents care so they can feel as bad as they want to about it, but they can't do anything. The court, unless given specific evidence to contradict what the husband says she wanted, will side with the husband.

Besides, she's brain dead and using up resources that could be used to save a life that can be saved. Let her die, so we can all live in peace.


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Heartless and unbelievably cruel.

I rarely say that to anyone - usually I can twist my brain to see their side and respect their opinions - but it would be the same thing to stick you in a glass box with air holes and let the whole world watch you die. Starvation may be the worst form of death - I would think that any life would be preferable to that kind of death.

And the fact that you would willfully murder someone by forcing them to starve or die of thirst is unconscionable.

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PostPosted: Sun 03-27-2005 2:50AM 
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Tambora,
I am working under the assumption that either there is a living will or the courts believe the husband knows her last wishes. These are the only conditions that I can think of inwhich the courts would NOT order the tube reinserted.

That said, HER wishes are being observed. Her not being hooked up to a machine or feeding tube is the same as a "Do Not Recesitate" order used at hospitals. I'm not forcing someone to starve, I'm not willfully murdering someone. However I do believe that if she didn't want it, then she shouldn't get it. End of discussion.

As far as being "Heartless and unbelievable cruel" that's bullshit. If you will recall my earlier post I responded to the question of how I would feel if I was one of her parents. In that post I said that I would be sad, and that I would morn. Heartless people don't feel sad, they don't mourn.


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Pksyn wrote:
I am working under the assumption that either there is a living will or the courts believe the husband knows her last wishes.


I don't believe that either of those conditions are fulfilled in Terri's case; else, I couldn't disagree with you, legally.

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PostPosted: Sun 03-27-2005 12:04PM 
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tambora wrote:
Pksyn wrote:
I am working under the assumption that either there is a living will or the courts believe the husband knows her last wishes.


I don't believe that either of those conditions are fulfilled in Terri's case; else, I couldn't disagree with you, legally.


Then why won't the courts stick a tube in her, or make her a ward of the state of FL? They want her dead? This doesn't make any sense. The courts have decided this case (multiple times) based on legal merits (not emotional). Therefore, there IS a legal reason why they will not order the tube. A living will is the only thing that makes sense in this case. Why? Because with a living will doctors must obey the patient's wishes or be charged with battery and lose their medical licenses. With out a living will a doctor could be charged with murder and lose their medical license for not treating the patient and the patient dies. In such a publicized case, I'm sure the doctors are covering their asses, so it wouldn't make sense that the doctors are behind this one. Keeping this in mind, my earlier conditions fit , otherwise it would be the doctors in court.

I submit that there is a dispute between the husband and the parents about the living will or last wishes. With so many people watching, it is doubtful the courts are going to ignore the law. All of this leads me to one conclusion; There is a living will or the husband knows her last wishes, courts have sided with the husband, and her wishes are being obeyed.

Life is a wonderful thing, but if an accident reduced me to a machine and/or a feeding tube, I hope that my loved ones don't fight against my wishes. That's not how I want to live, not for one minute/hour/day/year, no matter what the chances are of me coming out of it. That's not living. When I'm older, I will sign a DNR whenever I am admitted to a hospital.

I too can understand the perspectives of both sides, but I agree with what is happening. You seem to think that I am missing some legal aspect. What is it?


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