http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit ... 113317.htm

Just when the vatican said good things about evolution too... http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17 ... 62,00.html

"The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim..." quote from the 2nd article.

I took biology in 99/2000 in HS, and our biology I/II teacher didn't teach us anything about intelligent design then, he only couldn't test us over evolution, which he did teach. It sounds worse this time, from all the intelligent design talk, there's books out on it too... lol. All of that crap got overturned in 2001 (school board re-election), but now it's back.

I'm from KC, Johnson County/OP, and apart from visiting KU, K-State, I've only been to rural parts of Kansas, maybe once, when I went to Stull, KS at night, and that is a myth.

I missed out on getting a bumper sticker last time... I'm getting one this time... There are better ones than that though....

Well, besides the fact that you're a tool and that the first link you have to be subsribed to, how are intelligent design and evolution incompatible?

here is a reuter's link... and a longer article/opinion on the vatican's statements.

The two are almost inherently incompatible... are you kidding me? intelligent design is based on proving evolution could not have by itself created such complex life. While evolution theorizes it can. Which is why many scientists, call intelligent design an intellectually lazy theory. The writer of the book "intelligent design" said, i'm paraphrasing, "evolution gives appearance of design, and all he has to do is find one example of it being not so, and evolution has taken a blow".

Apart from that fallacy he's using to make a case for ID, how does one prove there is intelligent design? by really only changing the definition of science. Hence making it a more of a belief... If you thought there wasn't enough evidence for evolution, intelligent design is in a league of it's own. I dare anyone to find me a single piece of credible scientific evidence supporting the 3 concepts of ID.

There are obviously some parts of evolution that even the Vatican has accepted. Being called fundamentalist, by the Vatican, of all institutions, sets a new bar for being christian in kansas.

We atleast knew what creationism was, it wasn't science, this is just part two of that debate.

The change in kansas mainly seems add skepticism to evolution, using ID concepts, butchering it enough that teachers in KS can't use the NEA or the NSTA's curriculum. dover, pa though, actually teaches ID.

How would you PROVE evolution?

How do you prove any negative statement? You can't.

That top thirty is not even close to being as funny as the Chuck Norris one. Mostly due to the fact that f(Chuck Norris) >> f(Vin Diesel) for all Real numbers.

I thought the top30 were hilarious. What is this chuck norris one of which you speak?

I didn't start this thread to try and prove evolution, I started it to ridicule kansas and fundamentalist christians. Any phylogenetic tree to some extent will show distinct evidence of evolution, within statistical bounds, what does ID think of phylogenetic trees? I seriously want to know... that's it... all your overly-skeptic arguments about evolution, will get similar responses to the overly-skeptic global warming questions

The last school board decision similar to this, was overturned, if not for other reasons, than ridicule. I'll be disappointed if I see anything less this time.

This bumper sticker is a bit too harsh - "You know why they call Kansas the “heartland” of America? Because the brain’s not there!"

I like this though..

There is a more funny one if I remember right..

I'm not a fundamentalist, but they COULD be right. It IS possible that the creator planted all the fossils, or that our carbon dating is completely inaccurate.

HAHAHA i love that line of thought, the fossils were put on earth to test our faith.

I guess it is also possible that i AM God. and that the flying spaghetti monster is the one true creator as well. I mean... can you prove otherwise?? NO! But i guess having a general grasp on common sense and reality isn’t a necessity to exist either.

Pastafarianism is the ONE TRUE religion!

If we outlaw the teaching of evolution, only outlaws will evolve!


I too, live in the JO. At least Sue Gamble (school board rep) has some sense in her.

My beef with the IDers is that ID does not belong in science class. In a comparative religion class, sure, in a philosophy class, maybe, but not in a biology class. It is not science. Evolution is. We teach relativity in science classes, and that's "just a theory", right? Maybe that'll be next on the fundies' list since you can't have any idea what happens when you approach c because nobody's ever done it.

Then are they allowed to discuss scientific evidence that seems to go contrary to evolution, and suggest that ID may be a viable alternative if NATURAL evolution may not be scientifically feasible?

Does anyone have a site or source that makes a case for intelligent design? All that I've seen so far is that I.D. is basically an argument that points out the fallacies of other theories and make a general hypothesis with no supporting facts. I don't keep up on this kind of shit though, so I could very well be wrong. Please prove me as such.